Peter Boyles Show, Tim Neville, September 27, 2017

Station:    KNUS, 710 am

Show:       Peter Boyles Show

Guests:    Neville, Tim

Link:       http://peterboyles.podbean.com/

Date:        September 27, 2017

Topics:     Southern Poverty Law Center, SPLC, Family Research Council, Freedom of Speech, First Amendment, Second Amendment, 1st Amendment, 2nd Amendment, John Suthers, Jack Phillips, Masterpiece Cakeshop

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(NOTE:  These notes were compiled while listening to the interview with State Senator Tim Neville.  All comments noted are paraphrased, unless specifically identified as direct quotes.)

  • BOYLES: from SD-16, Tim Neville good morning! Welcome back
    • NEVILLE: thank you, Peter
    • Glad to be here
  • Wrote a piece “Attacks on Free Speech arent’ just confined to college campuses” In the piece, you talk about my favorite organization, the SPLC. Now, Tancredo is coming up and Jeffco schools are using curriculum from SPLC.  Tommy called, threw the BS flag at them, and they’ve gotten back to Tom on anything. So, you’re not shocked about that. I’ll turn it over to you.   The King of the Fear Mongers, the Southern Poverty Law Center, and your thoughts
    • I grew up in the South
    • When Morris Dees was fighting the KKK back in the day, SPLC was doing some very noble work, I believe
    • Unfortuantely, they’ve morphed into raiseing money and use their hate map to do that
      • They’ve branded groups as hate groups that are not
      • Besmirching their name and reputation
      • And put people in danger
        • Like the shooting in DC with the Family Research council
        • Shooter targeted them, cuz he saw them on a SPLC list
      • They’ve lost their way
  • They have identified schools that have politically incorrect names – they put out a list! What kind of sickness runs these people
    • Look at history, we’ve seen it before
      • Even in the French Revoution
      • When they started a reform movement that started making sure the guillotine didn’t rest
      • And after a while, everyone was in line for the guillotine
  • Yeah, Robespierre gets the guillotine. But that’s the notion of witch-hunting, where the hunters eventually are hunting themselves. So, that’s what we’ve been talking about for years – that eventually they’ll have more and more and more things to – what are you doing now?  And has anything crossed your desk, have you had anybody come up and lobby you on Name changing here in CO?
    • Not yet
    • I imagine we’ll probably see things.
    • And we may see something in upcoming legislative session
    • But, um, you know, it’s kind of funny, with history you have to put everything in perspective. But you also have to understand, you know, what is the proper role of history?  What is the proper role of monuments or whatever else.
    • We do have teachable moments
    • So, when Jason Glass (Supt of Jeffco) put out his comments on teachable moments, — yes! We do have teachable moments. But you have to include all the details, including what led up to the – in the Charlottesville issue – what led up to Charlottesville?  And what the protest was about. And how it was handled
    • You have to get all the details out in front
    • And I don’t think utilizing curricula that is designed by the SPLC neglected to encourage including all the context and details.  Using curriculum designed by the SPLC is in the best interest of people in Jefferson County
  • Agreed. Yeah, we’re going to talk to Tom at 8:00 and I’ve got 5 bucks that says they haven’t gotten back to Tom. So, having said that, Free speech – the 1st amendment – and as you know, Berkeley and all these different campuses, the only acceptable speech is their speech. Not the 1st amendment. And as  Jeffereson teaches us, the  1st amendment isn’t about what you like, — it’s about what you don’t like
    • Exactly!
  • And these people, they’re just destroying it. And again, I say this all the time, the 2nd [amendment] and the 1st, most historians that I read say, if you can get the 2nd, you’ll get the 1st – the 2nd is there to protect the 1st.  your thoughts?
    • Oh, without a doubt!
    • I’m a big 2nd Amendment activist when it comes to what the 2nd amendment means
    • And it’s the lynchpin
    • It’s the lynchpin of all of our individual rights.
    • And I think we have problems in society where we talk about —
    • There is a lot of conversation about group rights
      • But really, the US Constitution outlines individual rights.
      • Not necessarily group rights
      • Because, how do you have group rights?
      • And how do you put certain people in certain groups?
      • Is that what we’re trying to do within a Constitutional republic?
  • There are certain people trying to give human rights to rivers and streams and prairie dogs. And, this is the absurdity of the liberal left.  And then, coming up with the term that you talked about – “hate speech”.  What is hate speech?
    • Lots believe that hate speech is something that they don’t agree with
    • And the thing they have to understand is: you know, the 1st amendment was put there to protect all kinds of speech – including what many people might classify as hate speech
    • You don’t need protection from something that is kind and fluffy and nice and everybody agrees with it
    • But you do need protection of speech that people do find disagreeable
    • But there is a difference between hate speech and then the limit on that is speech which actually incites people to commit violence or to take actions against their fellow citizen
      • That is where the division has been under law
      • That is what the courts have found.
      • That is a proper division
  • John Suthers – “John of Arabia” —  did he have the right to tell an organization that was coming to the Springs [VDare] he would not give them any public support?
    • Absolutely not!
    • He basically swears an oath to uphold the Constituion of the United States and the Colorado Constitution
    • And everyone is afforded that protection.
    • You know, as elected officials we only have one responsibility – it’s to serve the people
      • And also to uphold the Constitution that we swear to uphold
    • So, you know, to me, That was a dereliction of duty
  • John is one of the more interesting members of your GOP
    • [laughs]
    • Well, you know, both parties have very interesting people.
      • And it’s always a challenge
      • And I think many people get frustrated – particularly in the grassroots and the people I talk to – with parties, in general
    • Our party has some very very solid platform issues that we have adopted
      • And we get into trouble when the platform is ignored or forgotten
      • Platform comes up from grassroots
      • Via caucuses – great process
      • But when some people, due to political expediency, decide to violate those, it does create a problem, and it does hurt the brand
  • Well, when Suthers went to Saudi Arabia to explain the American justice system to Al-Turqi’s family and king – and no one knows who payed for it and who sent him. And of course, there have never been any hard inquiries into that. And now he’s the mayor of Colorado Springs. I think when people ask me, “Who’s the  most interesting and/or fascinating politican/elected official in Colorado?” – it is, hands down Suthers.  He’s an adventure. And he got away –
    • Well, you know, Transparent
    • Transparency and sunlight
      • They always say sunlight is the greatest disinfectant
      • And I think for the political system, that’s true too.
      • And so, shining a light on it is pretty important?
  • Did you ever ask him who paid for those trips?
    • I haven’t
    • And I haven’t had a conversation with John Suthers in – oh, gosh!
    • I may have only had several in my career down here at the legislature
    • I’ve shared a number of frustrations
      • Whether it be the Jack Phillips case
      • Or others where I felt that the Constitutional provisions weren’t put at the forefront.
  • They’re fascinating characters, with a hard hitting media, you can’t ever second guess these guys.
  • I’m a fan of “Attacks on Free speech not just confined to College campuses”
  • You know, as the time would come, maybe not tomorrow afternoon, but they would certainly do away with talk radio if they could, as well.
    • Well, they – you’re right
    • If they could get rid of the — as I said, the 2nd amendment is the lynchpin
      • Because it’s the only thing that gives pause to a government that has run amok and is out of control
  • Thanks for coming on the show~!