Station:   KNUS, 710 am

Guests:   Neville, Tim

Link:       https://omny.fm/shows/steffan-tubbs-show

Date:        March 16, 2018

Topics:     Red light Cameras, Civil Asset Forfeiture, Cash Cow, Jobs Program, Hickenlooper Veto, Littleton, Red Flex, Fines & Penalties, Mayor Michael Hancock (Denver), Late Fees for Car Registration, Nanny State, Colorado Legislature, Hospital Provider Fee, Transportation, Roads and Bridges, Sen. Randy Baumgardner, Sexual Harassment Allegations, Colorado Education Association, Senator Humphrey, Senator Court,

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HOST JULIE HAYDEN: [00:00:44] But right now, though, we’re going to go–

HOST CHUCK BONNIWELL: [00:00:45] Let’s go to–.

HAYDEN: [00:00:46] –Senator Tim Neville of Jefferson County — Republican senator — fighting the good fight up there at the State Capitol. Hey, Senator, thank you, and thank you for your time today.

COLORADO STATE SENATOR FROM DISTRICT 16, TIM NEVILLE: [00:00:55] My pleasure. [It] sounds like you guys have not been behaving yourselves, lately!

HAYDEN: [00:00:57] We have not.

BONNIWELL: [00:00:59] No, we never do. We’re just–we’re just bad boys and girls.

NEVILLE: [00:00:59] [laughs].

HAYDEN: [00:00:59] So, [we] wanted to talk to you about — we saw a story on the national news earlier — earlier this week about red light cameras. A judge — a federal judge in Ohio — found them unconstitutional and ordered this small Ohio town to pay back all of the tickets.

BONNIWELL: [00:01:17] The $3 million! And they’ve got 2000 residents so it ought to be fun.

HAYDEN: [00:01:20] And this says — it seems to me, and correct me if I’m wrong, but in recent years, red light cameras are one thing that Democrats and Republicans have kind of agreed on — to a certain extent — and have sent bills left Hickenlooper only to have him veto them. Is there anything going on this year, or did you guys say, “Hey, we’ve got other stuff. We give up on that one.”.

NEVILLE: [00:01:39] Well, no, actually Representative Humphrey and I had a bill that started in the House. And actually for the first time in the last few years it was actually — it actually died in the House because we didn’t have enough Democrats supporting it.

HAYDEN: [00:01:53] Huh!

BONNIWELL: [00:01:53] Huh, so, there you go!

NEVILLE: [00:01:53] So, I’m not sure if I’m not sure if they just wanted to do more of the governor’s bidding and the mayor’s bidding, or, you know, what the story was. But it did die in the House.

HAYDEN: [00:02:02] What would it have done?

NEVILLE: [00:02:05] Uh, it basically would have outlawed red light cameras and, you know, the speed vehicle cameras in Colorado. And of course we know that these are big dollars for certain communities, such as Denver, Aurora, Boulder, Commerce City. And it’s different things in different areas. In Denver, it’s more of a cash cow.

BONNIWELL: [00:02:25] Right.

NEVILLE: [00:02:25] In Boulder, it’s more of a — what I would call– a jobs program for a number of retired or semi-retired people.

BONNIWELL: [00:02:33] Oh, cool!

NEVILLE: [00:02:33] Um, yeah! It’s all good! it’s all government. But, uh —

HAYDEN: [00:02:38] [laughing] Yeah! It’s all unconstitutional.

BONNIWELL: [00:02:38] It’s your government working for you! I mean, Ohio is also concerned [saying], “Well, you can have all the red light cameras you want, but we’ll cut any and all state funding equal to whatever you get in revenues for the red light cameras.” So, if all you’re doing this is for the safety of the citizens, you should be happy with that. If you’re doing it for revenue, maybe not so much.

NEVILLE: [00:03:00] Right. I think the town of Littleton had it right a few years ago. I know we were running a red light camera bill. And I was in a House hearing, and one of the people that was responsible for the red light camera program in Littleton came up to testify. And I’m thinking, “Oh no! Here goes another one who says why we need this.” And they were testifying that they were there pulling all their red light cameras because they didn’t find them — any kind of conclusive evidence that it had worked. In most cases, you’ll see that possibly there may be a slightly smaller amount of what we call T-bone crashes. But for usually every t-bone crash, you see three times as many rear-end crashes.

HAYDEN: [00:03:41] Right!

BONNIWELL: [00:03:41] Oh, yeah! Well, just go on Sixth Avenue. When you hit Speer Boulevard and the person in front of you sees the yellow — hit yellow — and boy! you better get your brakes fast because that person is going to go to a screeching halt. The other thing I love —

NEVILLE: [00:03:54] [interrupting] I think most –. I’m sorry.

BONNIWELL: [00:03:54] No, the other thing I love is Denver wasn’t making enough, and so they said OK –. So the red light camera people — who are always helpful– they kind of go, “Well, just move it back!”.

HAYDEN: [00:04:06] [clarifying] Move the line back.

BONNIWELL: [00:04:06] Yeah! Move the line back! Move it behind the pedestrian one. So, if they want to take a right and don’t want to kill somebody, you can get them then!

NEVILLE: [00:04:15] The Denver Forty Dollar White Line. Yeah.

BONNIWELL: [00:04:15] Yeah! Yeah! Great!

HAYDEN: [00:04:15] Right.

BONNIWELL: [00:04:19] We had a guy call in — he was out in California, and they got him on a red light. And California always does things with more progressively and fully than we do, because we’re just such pikers and hicks compared to them. He got a $580 fine.

HAYDEN: [00:04:34] Yeah, [a $580] fine for the red light.

BONNIWELL: [00:04:34] And since he hadn’t paid it within five days or whatever, [he got] a $340 adjunct to it. So, it’s $890, and they had sent it to collections here in Colorado.

NEVILLE: [00:04:45] Well, it’s — it’s so egregious. And when you get into the bottom of these red light camera bills, I mean, they — and the companies! Uh, you know, I mean, RedFlex was the company–.

BONNIWELL: [00:04:52] Red– Oh, yeah! Yeah.

NEVILLE: [00:04:52] Yeah, RedFlex was the company that set it up in Denver, and I think they still operate Ft. Collins’ red light cameras.

BONNIWELL: [00:05:01] Right. And one of the executives–.

NEVILLE: [00:05:04] And google it up, and see how many are in jail!

HAYDEN: [00:05:04] Right! Right, for bribery! And there was an indication that they bribed people in Colorado, too. Well, you know, to me it just seems so disingenuous that the governor — who used to be the Mayor of Denver–vetoes it. I mean, they veto it because the police chiefs come up there in the cities and they say — and Mayor Hancock — and says, “Hey, we need–.” Like you say, it’s just — it’s a cash cow. It doesn’t do anything for safety. And, you know, people don’t –. Like, for instance, in Denver, the one I always get caught on — it’s there on First Avenue where it kind of turns into Speer, there. And you know, they hide in the trees. And you can’t see them. And you go — and like you said, it’s more dangerous, because if a car in front of you sees it then they slam on their brakes, and then everyone else has to slam on their brakes, too. And it’s not bothering anybody. I mean, that is kind of — a it’s not a thoroughfare. But the speed limit –.

HOST CHUCK BONNIWELL: [00:05:51] No!

HAYDEN: [00:05:51] It’s not dangerous, going through there.

NEVILLE: [00:05:54] And I think the critical thing is, people understand the importance of public safety. But when you take a look at some of these programs, you know, you just realize that it doesn’t really do what it’s supposed to do. And then if it’s all about feeding out-of-state companies huge dollars, and then taking care of some of the crony interests of those individuals at the state level or local municipalities, that’s not what government is supposed to be doing.

BONNIWELL: [00:06:21] But, do you think there’s any public safety value in anything? I mean, when I hear “public safety,” I–.

NEVILLE: [00:06:32] [laughs]

HAYDEN: [00:06:32] Well, there is in some!

BONNIWELL: [00:06:32] I used to lobby down the Capitol. And you ‘d always get people [who would] kind of go — they wanted to get your support to help them with a bill. And they’d say, “This is for the kids!” And you would just fall over laughing.

HAYDEN: [00:06:34] Maybe you should say, — we’re talking with Senator Tim Neville. Maybe you should say, “This is for the children!” — or something.

BONNIWELL: [00:06:47] “This is for the kids!”

HAYDEN: [00:06:48] Well, what happened that you guys seemed to lose support among the Democrats?

BONNIWELL: [00:06:52] I can guess, but go ahead.

NEVILLE: [00:06:54] Well, I think it’s just an issue that they didn’t want to have any more flack from the governor’s office. You know, Mayor Hancock, of course, loves these red light cameras and you know —

NEVILLE: [00:07:05] Yeah. Well, he likes red light districts, so it kind of all works out!

NEVILLE: [00:07:05] [laughs] Ouch! Ouch!

HAYDEN: [00:07:05] No comment.

NEVILLE: [00:07:05] But, no, when it comes to, you know, this whole thing about, “And we’re going to do it, because it’s for the greater good,” uh, you know, after a while, you know, you’re going to even have to live in a bubble. And you’re going to have to have “Mother, May I–” before you walk outside of your front door.

BONNIWELL: [00:07:18] [laughs]

NEVILLE: [00:07:18] The Nanny State in Colorado is alive and well, unfortunately! And that’s what we’re trying to roll back — a little bit, at least.

BONNIWELL: [00:07:32] Well, here’s my guess, is, the Governor would like to be –.

HAYDEN: [00:07:37] President!

BONNIWELL: [00:07:37] Well, but he’d also like to be — you know, if that doesn’t work out–replace our official beloved RINO.

HAYDEN: [00:07:38] Oh, Cory Gardner?

BONNIWELL: [00:07:38] Cory Gardner, in the U.S. Senate. And he doesn’t want to be vetoing bills that come back –.

HAYDEN: [00:07:49] Yeah, maybe next year!

BONNIWELL: [00:07:51] I think they had a little talk with him, [saying], “Hey, boys!” You know, whatever committee it’s in –.

HAYDEN: [00:07:55] “Quit sending this up to me!”.

BONNIWELL: [00:07:55] Yeah. “Quit sending it up, because we don’t like it.” Well, let me ask you about another–.

NEVILLE: [00:07:55] Well, I –.

BONNIWELL: [00:07:55] Oh, go ahead. Sorry.

NEVILLE: [00:08:03] I say, I think he’s — I think he’s vetoed three of my red light camera bills. So, I always ask for a veto pen. I really don’t care about the signing pens as much as I do the veto pens.

BONNIWELL & HAYDEN:: [00:08:11] [laugh].

BONNIWELL: [00:08:11] Are they special? Are they in red or something? Blue would be the one they’re–.

NEVILLE: [00:08:11] No, they’re not! They’re not, but we’ll work on it.

BONNIWELL: [00:08:19] Well, here’s another one that I love: “Transportation Bill Stalls as Colorado Senate Democrats Filibuster.” And this is written by Joey Bunch, reported by ColoradoPolitics, which shows you the demise of The Denver Post. You can’t even get it on The Denver Post, anymore. But luckily — and this is an aside before we get to the actual meat of the article — you know, Joey worked for The Denver Post for — I don’t know — God knows how many years, before he went to the Gazette. And what you do [as a biased journalist] — and since I own a newspaper, I know this is what you do. So, if you have a side you like, you quote them all the way through your article. And the side you don’t like comes out at the very end–.

HAYDEN: [00:08:57] Where they say they had no comment.

BONNIWELL: [00:08:59] Well, yeah. It comes at the very end. And the key to that is two things: one, people often don’t get to the end of the article, so it’s the least-read part of an article; two, because of time, because of space constraints, you often chop an article. You know, it’s 850 words but you don’t have room, so it becomes 800 words. So, whatever the party you don’t like, it often gets cut on the floor. But this one — since it’s an internet one — it features you at the end.

NEVILLE: [00:09:26] [laughs] Oh.

BONNIWELL: [00:09:27] It’s all Democrats — all Democrats — all the way through. And then they have “Senator Tim Neville (R-Littleton) grew impatient at the well-worn Colorado transportation debate. He said the bill is about new dollars coming into the budget. ‘It’s time we get roads and bridges actually built instead of talk, talk, talk, talking about possibly building roads and bridges sometimes before we all die.’ Since this is — you know, on a blog, you didn’t get cut! So, there you go!

BONNIWELL: [00:09:56] [hearty laughter]

HAYDEN: [00:09:56] Well, can Democrats — can we actually filibuster in Colorado? Do they–?

BONNIWELL: [00:09:56] I didn’t know we had a filibuster.

NEVILLE: [00:09:56] Uh, no.– technically, no. Although on second reading, they’re allowed to come up and –. I, you know, I just tell–. Sometimes when you look at things and, you know, you realize there’s some type of political play. But I just tell people, “Please, go back and take a look at that footage.” And I don’t think the other party was doing itself any favor. There was a point in time, I know, when Senator Court got up and–

BONNIWELL: [00:10:27] Lois?

NEVILLE: [00:10:27] — started naming off all of the key priorities in the state of Colorado, and why we can’t give money to roads and bridges.

BONNIWELL: [00:10:40] Oh! All right.

NEVILLE: [00:10:41] And she named five priorities off, some of them that are constitutional — like K12 — and other ones that are not, like, you know, higher ed. And so, anyway, I just thanked her when we were done — when she was done — and said, you know, “I want to thank the good Senator from Denver for her honesty and forthrightness, because she’s telling us what we’ve always known: that there is no — they have never prioritized roads and bridges and don’t really care about them.”.

HAYDEN: [00:11:07] Well, they want us to ride bicycles!

BONNIWELL: [00:11:09] Yeah, but they’re big on bike lanes.

NEVILLE: [00:11:09] Well, bicycles, pogo sticks — I don’t know, whatever it is, you know.

BONNIWELL: [00:11:09] Right! And apparently they’re not happy about the sponsor of the bill, Mr. Baumgarden [sic]. Because — I think the best — my favorite of the #MeToo movement, you know, even nationally– is the complaint against Senator Baumgarden, when he said — because he doesn’t drink anymore, if he ever did but I assume maybe he did — you know, he wants to make a joke of it rather than sounding like a stick in the mud, and said –.

NEVILLE: [00:11:29] I think that — I think that was another senator, but –.

HAYDEN: [00:11:29] Right. Okay.

BONNIWELL: [00:11:29] Was it? Aww! I was hoping it was — Whoa, whoa, whoa! We’ll attribute it to him anyway. I still want to do it.

HAYDEN: [00:11:29] Fake news! [chuckles] No–.

BONNIWELL: [00:11:29] — said that, “No, I’m sorry. It affects my performance.” And that was subject to a harassment complaint. I love that! that was great! That wasn’t Baumgarden? That was some other — which Senator was that?

NEVILLE: [00:11:57] Uhh, you know, and I’m going off — I’ve really made a point, guys, of not going to Crazy Town this year. But, uh –.

HAYDEN: [00:12:09] Right. Right.

BONNIWELL: [00:12:09] Aw, come on!

NEVILLE: [00:12:09] I believe it was another senator. I’ll leave it at that. Come on! You guys can do your due diligence on that one and probably figure it out.

HAYDEN: [00:12:13] That’s right. Chuck can do that.

BONNIWELL: [00:12:14] All right. I’m going to do that right now, while we’re talking.

HAYDEN: [00:12:14] Well, Senator, talk about that a little bit, because my impression from reading that, is that is what the Dem– I mean, so, everybody talked during, you know, when you weren’t in session, on both sides, [about] “Transportation, transportation, transportation. We’re going to do something. Hooray!” And then — am my right? — in that one of the reasons the Democrats don’t want to do anything about transportation is because you guys refuse to expel somebody who had some fairly innocu– well, whatever– claims. I mean, is that what part of the holdup is, or is it just other stuff, too?

NEVILLE: [00:12:46] No, I think if you asked me why they don’t want to to fund transportation, I believe they want to fund a number of their other pet projects that basically take care of what they see as their supporters and constituency. You know, we — I had a — we had a Senate Bill 1 hearing that came to Finance [committee]. There was one person that came in to testify against Senate Bill 1, and it was one of the leaders of the Colorado Education Association. And they said it could take money from schoolchildren.

BONNIWELL: [00:13:23] [scoffing] those poor kids!

NEVILLE: [00:13:23] Well, it’s — this a huge budget. So, we have a billion dollars more coming into the budget, and so, of course, we’re all concerned about money. We all understand our priorities. But it’s like, “Really? Really? We can’t walk and chew gum? And because we have schools, we cannot prioritize anything.” And I asked I asked this gentleman, specifically. I said, “Where were you when the Governor expanded Medicaid?

HAYDEN: [00:13:51] Yeah.

NEVILLE: [00:13:51] That’s been the biggest — one of the biggest cost drivers in Colorado. And you know, he didn’t have an answer for me, of course. But, um, you know: Surprise, surprise.

HAYDEN: [00:13:59] What do you think is going to happen with Tran– are they going to do anything with transportation? Because I know all the gubernatorial candidates have ideas about it. I mean, or are they just going to wait and see who ends up being governor? Or do you think anything will happen?

NEVILLE: [00:14:10] Well, you know, in areas like this you would hope there would be leadership from the governor. And, you know, so, — excuse me, I’m not holding my breath right now –but you know, there’s always the hope that — you know, the governor has you know stepped up before. You know, we had a very contentious civil forfeiture bill last year that he made the decision to sign. I think it was a good decision because things like that happen.

BONNIWELL: [00:14:31] Remind me what that one — I know you got –. You had one bill that was stronger, and it got either killed or otherwise. And you came back later in the session and got another one that wasn’t quite as strong, but still helped out. Remind me of that whole–.

NEVILLE: [00:14:47] Well, it was a –. Yeah, it was a bill that basically required — instead of using the federal adoption process, where local municipalities or even, you know, state patrol or whatever can seize property and then give it to the federal government, and the federal government usually does an 80 percent kickback to local law enforcement. And it’s a very, very tough process for an individual to try to fight that. Whereas state forfeiture actually has some safeguards. It’s not perfect, but it does have some safeguards. And — you know, preponderance of evidence, that type of thing — and also a timeline. So it allows for people to actually, you know, fight the process. And, uh, [it has] and a little bit more due process in a court of law. So our focus was simply, first of all, make sure that we have mandatory reporting on every single seizure that happens in the state of Colorado. [It] doesn’t matter who does it. So we’ve we’ve put that into law. And then, also, so we can — if we have a problem — we can definitely identify it. And then second of all, all seizures that are under $50,000 in value must go through the state process.

HAYDEN: [00:16:04] Huh! That’s a good thing, I think, because I mean, I remember coveri–doing stories — where there would be somebody who’s like, like, literally their car would have been stolen! The car gets towed. They — first of all, they don’t know that it’s been recovered. And so the tow fees and the impound fees rise and rise, And then, they can’t afford to get that car out of the impound lot — even though it was stolen, and it had nothing to do with them — the city sells it. And I’m like, that doesn’t seem right. They seize it and sell it, right? And I’m like, that seems wrong somehow.

NEVILLE: [00:16:32] Well, yeah. And I can tell you, you know, I mean I worked–no, actually that was Representative Humphreys on the Republican side with me. But you know, also, you know, Senator Kagan and Representative Leslie Herod, you know, I mean, we — people said, “Oh, my gosh! You know, this is like, you know, the left and the right!” But I said, you know, when we get into principles and we take a look at what is right, we all agreed and everybody involved in that understood that it was harming people in our community, similar to the red light camera thing.

HAYDEN: [00:16:59] Right.

NEVILLE: [00:16:59] So, you can see where there are these opportunities. And I think some people out there say, “Well, it all gets partisan politics.” It doesn’t have to! We just have to focus, and make sure that that we have the right priorities and that we stick with our principles. We can get things done together. And we’re going to continue to do that, even in contentious years where we may see certain lockdowns on other issues. But I think with the transportation piece, it’s about the money. And I believe the Democrat Party looks at this and says, “You know, this is a pain point. We have an opportunity to increase taxes. If we hold out long enough we can make Coloradans feel so much pain — even though we’ve got another billion dollars coming in — that they might vote for a tax increase, so we have more of their money to waste away on a number of other projects that probably should not be prioritized, prior to transportation.

BONNIWELL: [00:17:57] Sure! Excellent idea! Excellent idea.

HAYDEN: [00:17:57] No, that’s a risky idea. I mean, it seems — I don’t know that that would –. Denver would probably vote for it — the citizens of Denver. But you’ve got to wonder if other places would.

NEVILLE: [00:18:06] I don’t think so. I don’t think they will.

HAYDEN: [00:18:09] Yeah.

BONNIWELL: [00:18:09] Well, you know, it’s — I remember your other one on civil forfeiture. I guess all the police chiefs came in and –.

HAYDEN: [00:18:17] Well, yeah, they don’t like it.

BONNIWELL: [00:18:18] They love it.

HAYDEN: [00:18:20] Well, no, they like forfeiture. They don’t like bills against forfeiture.

BONNIWELL: [00:18:20] Yeah, yeah, they love forfeiture. And all the Republicans go, “Oh, okay! Gosh, it’s our sheriffs and police chiefs who want to pillage and rape our citizens. That’s okay, right? We love that, because we’re pro-enforcement!”

NEVILLE: [00:18:35] Yeah, and it’s kind of a funny thing. At first, everybody was against it on the first go round. And we did have it in the District Attorneys actually came forward and said, “You know, we see the writing on the wall. There are problems.” We even had the Attorney General’s office, then, join in. But the chiefs of police — and actually the sheriffs, who are usually pretty well-aligned with people on these things — they resisted till the end. But you know, it’s like everything else. I just take deep breaths. And my job is not to–.

HAYDEN: [00:19:04] [laughs] Don’t freak out!

NEVILLE: [00:19:06] No, it’s just to keep moving forward and try to do the right thing. And you know, it’s amazing. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn’t. And then there’s tomorrow.

HAYDEN: [00:19:15] What do you think–. We’re talking with Senator Tim Neville, a Republican out of Littleton. Just a couple more questions and then we’ll let you go.

NEVILLE: [00:19:23] Sure.

HAYDEN: [00:19:25] [is there] Anything you see coming down at us, or that you think is likely to be happening? Any surprises out there?

NEVILLE: [00:19:27] Well, you know, surprises — the things that I find that are surprising is, you know, frustration on little things. Like, we have a bill where you would think that people would be able to agree. I’ll just give you a couple pieces that I’m running. There is the– currently, if you have a church in Colorado that leases space, it cannot take advantage — through the through the leasing agent or through the a landlord — of a tax deduction, a property tax deduction. So, the landlord, of course, is charged a commercial property tax, and that is passed on, of course, to the person leasing — in this case, churches.

BONNIWELL: [00:20:03] Sure. Right.

NEVILLE: [00:20:07] So, we did something. I’m a Catholic, so — you know, Catholics own all their property — so it’s not for me. But this is — we have a lot of churches, particularly in the inner city in the urban areas,. that are start-up churches, that do a lot of good for their community. If you’re a charter school, or a school that leases space, you — the Department of Revenue gives you a pass through tax credit. But if you’re a church, sorry, not for you. So, we proposed a bill, just to allow that, as the same as it happens in 25 other states, including — liberal California even allows this –because we think it actually works in the benefit –for the benefit of — particularly in our urban areas, where property is so darn expensive.

HAYDEN: [00:20:53] Yeah, that’s true.

NEVILLE: [00:20:53] We think it’s a good thing. We think it actually revitalizes areas and also provides an opportunity. Those dollars that they’re not paying then actually go to help people in the community. And so, we didn’t get anybody from the Democrat side in the Senate. My hope is — I’ve reached out to several, to a number of people in the House and I’m hoping that some people have the courage to come forward on the Democrat side and support that bill. Another one that that always frustrates me — and I’ve run it several times, running it again this year — is the repeal of the late vehicle registration fee.

HAYDEN: [00:21:30] Ah! I support that, as someone who is registering their vehicles late.

NEVILLE: [00:21:34] Well, it’s — you know, I mean, I’ve heard people say, “Well, they’re scofflaws [misprounced].” And that’s one of my favorite terms — ‘scofflaw.’

BONNIWELL: [00:21:37] ‘Scofflaw’ [correctly pronounced], isn’t it?

NEVILLE: [00:21:37] And, you know, they’re deadbeats, and everything else. But frankly, these are people that sometimes they have, you know, they have a problem with their vehicle. They’ve had it out of commission.

BONNIWELL: [00:21:48] Yeah! It breaks down.

NEVILLE: [00:21:49] Whatever else it might be.

BONNIWELL: [00:21:50] Yeah. Exactly!

NEVILLE: [00:21:51] Colorado is one of the only — really, the only state in the area that charges up to $100 just to register your vehicle if it’s late. Now, you can get fined if it’s on the road. I’m fine with that. If you’re driving without it, fine! Pay the fine.

BONNIWELL: [00:22:04] Yeah. Yeah. Right. Right. Right. Yeah.

HAYDEN: [00:22:04] Well, I remember — and I support that totally. When I moved here — now, this is a million years ago, and it has probably changed — but in Illinois it was like, literally, like 30 bucks. It was just a flat fee, right? And [when] I came to Colorado and registered the same car, it was like hundreds of dollars! And I was like, “What?!”

BONNIWELL: [00:22:22] Oh, yeah! What?

HAYDEN: [00:22:23] And I mean, it was like a Subaru–beat up. I mean, you’re kidding me!

NEVILLE: [00:22:27] Well, it’s hundreds of dollars. Plus, it’s $25 fine for missing a month. For four months, it’s up to $100. But here’s the thing, guys: if you want to talk, take a look at what the different priorities are. The people that came out and testified against this, they said, “You’re taking money away from government!”.

BONNIWELL & HAYDEN:: [00:22:49] Ooooh!

NEVILLE: [00:22:49] We have a billion dollars –. Yeah, imagine that! I guess that puts me with public enemy of big government, number one. I’m ok with that. I don’t mind that. [inaudible]

BONNIWELL: [00:22:59] Well, let me ask you this: On the last day the legislature, how is leadership — Republican leadership — going to screw us all? What do they got planned this year?

HAYDEN: [00:23:05] Ha! No more Hospital Provider Fee!

NEVILLE: [00:23:05] Oh, man!

BONNIWELL: [00:23:05] How are they going figure out, [at] the last moment, to take that knife and shiv it in our backs?

HAYDEN: [00:23:05] They’re not!

BONNIWELL: [00:23:05] What does leadership got for us this year, on the last day of legislature?

NEVILLE: [00:23:19] I want you to channel your inner — let’s say, your inner-Cubs fan. You know, where hope springs eternal?

BONNIWELL & HAYDEN:: [00:23:26] Right! [laughter]

NEVILLE: [00:23:27] And every year — and, what has happened twice? Well, they won the World Series, right? .

BONNIWELL: [00:23:29] In a 120 years, yeah.

HAYDEN: [00:23:31] Right.

NEVILLE: [00:23:32] Well, so, I’m thinking the odds are better that they will have more success. And my hope is that, you know, we get through maybe a contentious year and I’m hoping that we see, you know, kind of a better, you know, convalescing of good leadership — or, a coalescing [correcting himself] of good leadership and we really do what the people want us to do. And that’s that’s my hope.

BONNIWELL: [00:23:37] All right! I like it!

HAYDEN: [00:23:37] We will join you!

NEVILLE: [00:23:37] So, you know, I’ve got to be a positive guy. .

HAYDEN: [00:23:39] I’m from Chicago! I’m from Chicago, so I’m there. Senator, thank you so much for your time. [We] appreciate it!

BONNIWELL: [00:23:42] Thanks, Senator. [It is] always good to talk to you.

NEVILLE: [00:23:42] You guys, keep up — keep on making trouble!

BONNIWELL: [00:23:43] Okay.  .

HAYDEN: [00:23:44] All right! Thank you.