Grassroots Radio Colorado, Josh Penry, November 14, 2012
Station: KLZ, 560AM
Show: Grassroots Radio Colorado
Guests: Penry
Link:
Date: November 14, 2012
Topics: Longmont, mineral rights, Fracking, Hydraulic Fracturing, Hickenlooper, Ritter, Colorado Oil and Gas Association, Jobs, Economy, All of the Above Energy Policy, Domestic Energy, Propoganda, Global Warming, Weld County, Routt County, Environmental Protection Agency, Obama, Attorney General John Suthers, Obamacare, North Dakota, Wstern Slope, Property Values, Noise Obsfucation, Air Quality, Water Quality, Regulations, Food and Water Watch, Setbacks, Greenies, Tree-huggers, Left
Host Commentary:
- Because they’re morons – Longmont passed this fracking ban
- JW: not morons…. They were fed un-truths
Guest #1: Josh Penry (26:45)
- Host JasonWorley: creates a huge mess for state of CO and Longmont
- Josh Penry: Outrageous and reprehensible move
- We need jobs
- Boost to economy
- Energy needs
- Revenue needs
- Oil and Gas development addresses these needs
- Ken Clark: the people think they understand the issues, but they don’t understand
- Huge propaganda effort by Greenies and the Left
- Like the Mythical Man-Caused Global warming – combated with millions of dollars
- 3 million fracking wells in the country, 30,000 in Weld alone- how many cases of groundwater contamination?
- JP: None
- According to BO head of EPA, sworn under earth and under questioning by Cory Gardner in US Congress
- Record: 1.3 million to zero
- 60 year history of fracking
- Branding issue has been exploited by environmentalist community
- Evolving technology has made it better, safer
- Future for Longmont? Next step? Lawsuit by State of CO
- JP: Suit has already been filed
- JP: Historically… back 50-60 years (or longer)
- Trade-off: CO regulates the heck out of Oil & Gas
- But you get one set of rules for the whole state
- Natural resources, forests, don’t honor mand made, contrived boundaries
- Local government must work within the rules set for the state
- So Longmont will be challenged
- JP: A couple of people who deserve credit on fighting the fracking resistance
- John Suthers
- Challenged Fed gov on Obamacare
- Active in challenging these local jurisdictions who are trying to kill the Oil & Gas industry one city, or one county at a time
- John Hickenlooper
- Stuck neck out, threatened to sue Longmont for trying to squash industry, threatened to sue others
- JP doesn’t hand out complements to Dems very often or easily
- KC: like him or not, with Geology and O&G background, he knows this stuff
- JW: he took a drink of the Fracturing Fluid, or offered to drink it
- John Suthers
- Justice branch of CO gov. tends to hue more liberal – it’s black and white, these local jurisdictions have NO authority for doing this
- Implications:
- Sets precedent – other local jurisdictions will follow in the hysteria that Longmont has created.
- Lafayette
- Fort Collins
- Loveland
- Colorado Springs
- Route County
- Just like they went after coal, (and it’s now clean)
- They said “only Natural gas” then they went after Nat Gas
- Then they build solar array in Nevada… then Sierra club tries to shut that down.
- Sets precedent – other local jurisdictions will follow in the hysteria that Longmont has created.
Property Owners: don’t like fracking near houses because it can hurt property values
- JP: look at North Dakota and Western Slope
- When industries grow, more jobs, more housing growth
- The one CO community that has weathered economic storm is in Weld County
- As a general rule, it’s exactly the opposite– O&G development helps property values
- There has to be some accommodation when drilling/fracking near people
- CO has strictest, most rigorous regulations for drilling and fracking
- Noise obsfucation
- Air quality
- Water quality
- Rubber meets road issues that can be worked through reasonably
- If you let these issues become a barrier to production
- Sierra club comes in on an incremental basis
- Some don’t want to drill here or there (NIMBY)…. Turns out to be anywhere
- If we are going to have consistent energy policy, we have to make regs uniform for everywhere….
- KC: pet peeve… US can’t drill in Gulf but every other nation can
- CO has strictest, most rigorous regulations for drilling and fracking
- Rule making hearing re: setbacks and structures
- Bill Ritter in 2008 pushed through strict restrictions – cost him his job
- We already regulate this things significantly
- Hickenlooper passed strict fracking regulations
- Speaks to the “no pleasing” the environmental community
- Lots of out-of-state money spend to “whip this up” – incite this
- This isn’t organic
- Not concerned moms and neighbors and grandma next door
- Money from out of state inciting this
- Homeowners have lots of redress opportunities and recourse
- Oil and Gas commission
- Not friendly crowd to O&G
- Lots of Dems, biologists, etc.
- KC: would love it if O&G company would come in and drill on his land in WY
- JP: Routt County ranchers and farmers WITH mineral rights – this is a big deal
- Under our law, there are two types of property rights
- Surface
- Mineral
- Mineral rights is a security for these Coloradoans (ranchers and farmers)
- Like a 401K for the
- Their’s is not a lucrative career right now – they need those mineral rights for financial security
- Western tradition is preserved by developing these minerals
- Subsidizing ranches and farms
- Under our law, there are two types of property rights
- All lot of the resistance to drilling in fracking is sour grapes – people who don’t own the mineral rights on their properties – they wouldn’t complain if they stood to make a lot of money on selling their mineral rights to O&G development
- Lies and propaganda from Sierra Club, Greenies and Lefties and Tree-huggers – getting people hysterical – how do me combat this?
- Even the name sounds bad – “fracking” – scares them
- KC: wants explanation as to how ground water is contaminated when fracking happens so deep beneath water table.
- Just like global warming fanatics (who we’ve proven wrong)
- JP: will be combated at state level or locally
- Hick is on the right side
- Dems – we’ll see which side they take
- Most popular gov. in history of CO
- Or Sierra Club
- Dems will have difficult choice to make
- Food and Water Watch gets tons of money from Progressives and Liberals, who canvass door to door
- Hysteria is totally manufactured – there’s big money in fighting the latest craze
- Fracking is poorly branded and Left takes advantage of this
- We win the argument by way of presenting the facts…
- Public agrees with Conservatives on this
- Need domestic energy sources
- Need jobs
- Need revenue
- Political issue:
- Difficult choices for county commissioners and local lawmakers
- Hick as staked out middle ground
