Kelley & Company, Bill Jack, January 29, 2015

Station:   KNUS, 710 AM

Show:      Kelley & Company

Guests:    Jack, Bill

Link:        http://kelleyco.podbean.com/

Date:       January 29, 2015

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[The following represents notes and transcribed portions from this interview.  All portions, except where identified as transcribed sections, are paraphrased from the questions and responses between the host and the guest.]

CHRISTIAN EDUCATOR, RADIO HOST, AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY PROVOCATEUR BILL JACK:

HOTS STEVE KELLEY:

  • This guy has been demonized, misrepresented in the media

HOST KRISTA KELLEY:

  • I’m very disappointed in the media — journalistic malpractice.  He’s going to tell us why and what he asked be printed on those cakes.

KELLEY:

  • Welcome
  • What is your background?

CHRISTIAN EDUCATOR, RADIO HOST, AND RELIGIOUS LIBERTY PROVOCATEUR BILL JACK:

  • I train students in worldview thinking
  • How to share their Christian faith
  • I work in camps during the summer
  • This, I’m doing privately, outside of my official capacity at my school.
  • We need liberty for all, or else it’s liberty for none
  • Jack Phillips:  misapplication of CO statute…
    • He refused to provide [wedding] cake to a same sex couple due to his faith
    • And as a result:
      • He has to go through reeducation training
      • He might be fined
      • He might lose his business
  • Two cakes requested from several bakeries — both in the shape of open bibles
    • On one cake:
      • “Homosexuality is a detestable sin” Leviticus 18:22
      • “God hates sin”  – Psalm 45:7
    • On other:
      • “God loves sinners” —
      • “While we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” Romans 5:8

KELLEY:

  • Why did you wait so long after the Phillips case.  Was this a response to Diane Rice from Civil Rights Commission equating Jack Phillips with Nazis and slave owners?

JACK:

  • I filed back in March.
  • Not public issue until Director of Department of Regulatory Agency releases his/her findings, and then it could go to CO Civil Rights Commission
  • Only reason I’m entering public arena is cuz, the media reported “gay slurs” and Mark Silverstein, said they were obscenities
    • Since when did the bible become a gay slur and obscene to put it on a cake?
    • If we’re going to have liberty for all, then this law should be applied equitably
    • I think they should be allowed to deny my service if it violates their conscience
    • Shouldn’t happen to Jack Phillips nor to anyone else
  • This needs to be corrected legislatively
  • It is hypocrisy and bad legislation
  • Now the bible is being portrayed as obscene

KAFER:

  • No two men holding hands with a ghost buster sign?

JACK:

  • Yes, to show that it is biblically unacceptable
  • What we have here, is the same situation, just that now, the opposition — the ACLU– should come to my defense
    • They haven’t come to me
    • There is no difference between the two.

KELLEY:

  • You teach apologetics, and how to defend one’s faith
  • Let’s listen to Marjorie Silva:  — [plays her version of the Jack interaction.]  “He knew he was up to something, because he wouldn’t leave that to the end.”

JACK:

  • I’m intentional about this
  • Some will say that it was provocative
    • Doesn’t matter
    • My intentions are not a matter of law
    • It’s about whether the law was followed
  • Silva should know better, becuase she has a copy of the complaint.  Which had exactly what I had requested…. It was shown to her, to her brother, and not at the end
  • Those bible verses are being depicted as obscene

KELLEY:

  • But the ghostbuster symbol isn’t biblical

JACK:

  • It’s interpretation of the
  • DORA — determining whether there was discrimination
  • I want to correct the error as to what I wanted on the cakes
  • This determines whether we’ll have liberty for all, or just liberty for some
  • Jack Phillips and Marjorie Silva should have the same rights.

KELLEY:

  • She’s in business.  She’s trying to make a living.  Do you feel like you’re threatening her livelihood?  Especially  since she offered a compromise

JACK:

  • Actually, Steve, her memory is not correct
  • She did deny me service
  • She said she would have to talk with her lawyer
  • I was discriminated against based upon my creed which is Christianity
  • When I made my request, I saw fear in their eyes
  • I think these bakeries have been put in a bad position, they shouldn’t have to violate their conscience
  • I am intentional about this to expose a bad law, that’s being applied inequitably